Somali woman stoned for adultery

[dutchad]

Originally Posted by Sureshot

I'm not going to condone any punishment which leads to death, legalised murder is just wrong.

However, different countries have different laws and I don't have a problem with that. As a British citizen my only concern is about my own countries laws. I have no right to tell other countries what they should and shouldn't do, mind you, telling countries what they should and shouldn't do is a speciality of the western governments.

If I went to Saudi Arabia, I'd have no problem living with Sharia law. It's their country. Sometimes, it really is just best to butt out.

Just because I don't live in a country doesn't mean I can't express an opinion. (Although in many countries that is already a punishable crime!) Likewise someone can express an opinion of the country i am living in. thankfully many, many people from all walks of life, in many different kinds of countries have stood up against perceived injustice wherever it has been, in whichever country. I celebrate those people and long may it continue. It is in fact very western to say: oh this has nothing to do with me. Plus I do not represent any government: I only represent my sense of human dignity.

[hMarka]

Originally Posted by dutchad

I only represent my sense of human dignity.

Exactly, this world is what it is because of so many who have stood against injustice. Nationalities are artificial man made creations, just because someone lives on the other side of an invisible border line does not mean we can completely ignore crimes against humanity over there. We are all humans first, it does not matter which "country" you are from. If there is injustice against human life it is every persons duty to speak out against it and stop it.

Good think people like Oskar Schindler did not just accept "laws and social norms" blindly like some here have suggested.

[King Cricket]

Agree whole heartedly with the above two posts. We are humans, that's our only identity. And if we see our fellow humans falling prey to injustice, I think it's our moral duty to speak out and protest against it.

[send2yaari]

why you all not protest what is happening in Palestine,Afghanistan,Iraq,Kashmir?
Why are you all are so biased?
Why you all don't protest to release all illegal prisoners present in US and British Jails.
Why are you making so inhuman behavior with them even most of them didn't know how to fire a bullet from a gun.Why dear why?
You make me cry now,What are those American Army doing with Ms.Afia?
A mere girl who know how to do operation in medical field not in war field.Tell me where are your humanism?

[Sureshot]

Originally Posted by dutchad

Just because I don't live in a country doesn't mean I can't express an opinion. (Although in many countries that is already a punishable crime!) Likewise someone can express an opinion of the country i am living in. thankfully many, many people from all walks of life, in many different kinds of countries have stood up against perceived injustice wherever it has been, in whichever country. I celebrate those people and long may it continue. It is in fact very western to say: oh this has nothing to do with me. Plus I do not represent any government: I only represent my sense of human dignity.

What like the injustices we've been fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc? Yeah, that's gone well, hasn't it?

Problem the "West" has it not knowing when to stop, where the line is, etc. You can't go interfering with other countries like that.

[jordox]

Originally Posted by King Cricket

prey to injustice, I think it's our moral duty to speak out and protest against it.

Fair enough, but then what do you do? They don't want to change. These places have been running for hundreds if not thousands of years. You cant burst and in say "Sorry, this has to stop. You are being immoral." because guess what? They think the same thing about your culture.

So you've had your little protest, now what do you do?

The only way a country can change is if it wants to change.

[dutchad]

Originally Posted by Sureshot

What like the injustices we've been fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc? Yeah, that's gone well, hasn't it?

Problem the "West" has it not knowing when to stop, where the line is, etc. You can't go interfering with other countries like that.

As I said I would protest and speak strongly against any injustice committed by whomever, wherever! According to the logic of some who have contributed to this discussion apparently I can say: oh those poor civilians killed here or here, ah well thats just there fate for being in a war zone! They should have known about the rules and regulations surrounding the making of war. What a load of crap! And don't make it sound like I am expressing the opinion you say I am, because I am not. As I say, I would speak against violence and oppression anywhere, anytime by anyone whether religious or not. I am a human being in the first case and a citizen of a country in the second.

[Cricketdude]

Originally Posted by Sureshot

I'm not going to condone any punishment which leads to death, legalised murder is just wrong.

However, different countries have different laws and I don't have a problem with that. As a British citizen my only concern is about my own countries laws. I have no right to tell other countries what they should and shouldn't do, mind you, telling countries what they should and shouldn't do is a speciality of the western governments.

If I went to Saudi Arabia, I'd have no problem living with Sharia law. It's their country. Sometimes, it really is just best to butt out.

You have the chance to go to another country if it doesn't suit you, She doesn't. When the woman that got stoned probably thought the stoning was immoral. The man she was with probably treated her better, and actually loved her as a woman, not as a house slave. You do stuff that you probably wouldn't want your kids doing just because of those feelings.

I have no problem with the Mother doing all the housework, cooking and all if the mothers wants to. Sometimes when a religious muslim family moves over here the mothers still want to clean and cook all day. If they want to do thats fine. It is when the countries limit the women to just cleaning and cooking I have a problem. I ditto what Rohit(Cricketman) said earlier. The Women don't get to have a exciting and life, have friends and embrace themselves. Countries in the Middle East. If you go the high class muslim country women are pretty much the same just they wear a head scarf. Women should have the same amount of opportunities as Men.

[Kshitiz_Indian]

Hold on, I might be wrong, but which religion actually enlists punishments?

[ste_mc_efc]

Originally Posted by dutchad

It is in fact very western to say: oh this has nothing to do with me.

Actually given history and the doubts over the true reasons for Iraq a more accurrate description of what the west says is "let's go civlise/remove weapons of mass destruction these place, whilst we are he we may as well take advantage of the resources."

It's all very well and good being against the injustices (as I am) but there is very little we can do. Western governments can't even run their own economy without spending billions on being the world's justice force. Even if they could be trusted to perform that task.

[_Nabeel_]

Originally Posted by King Cricket

Agree whole heartedly with the above two posts. We are humans, that's our only identity. And if we see our fellow humans falling prey to injustice, I think it's our moral duty to speak out and protest against it.

Now I will check you if you do any Injustice because it will be my Moral Duty then!

[Master Khan]

A silly thing to do in a country like Somalia.
she should have known better.. I am not saying like she deserve it beacaus killing woman is wrong.

[hMarka]

Originally Posted by Master Khan

A silly thing to do in a country like Somalia.
she should have known better.. I am not saying like she deserve it beacaus killing woman is wrong.

The thing is , she might not even have been a willing participant. It could have been rape and the outcome would have been similar.

[Neo95]

Originally Posted by King Cricket

PS, just to tell you, I'm dead against different aspects of the "Vedas" of the Hindus too. I think they are stupid and are full of superstitious crap.

Not attacking to you and don't want to take the thread off-topic.But have you really read the Vedas? or some commentary on it(like I have).If you know it's contents,you can find some stuff related to the present days.In fact the Vedas haven't taught us to discriminate women in fact the Vedas keep women at parity with a man.It's just that some corrupted guys made some stupid rules interpreting the Vedas in their own ways,just like some stupid mullahs have been interpreting Quran in a way different than the Prophet would have liked and are causing untold misery and grief.Though I will partially agree with your statement,the first 3 Vedas are the good ones the Atharva Veda is the one with the superstitious stuff.

And back on topic it is unfortunate that this happened and we can't do anything about these, until the guys over there accept that what they are doing is wrong.They have firm,rigid,deep rooted misbeliefs

Neo95 added 2 Minutes and 9 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by Kshitiz_Indian

Hold on, I might be wrong, but which religion actually enlists punishments?

No religion as far as I know it is just people interpret things and think that punishment is the best way to reform.

[King Cricket]

Originally Posted by Neo95

Not attacking to you and don't want to take the thread off-topic.But have you really read the Vedas? or some commentary on it(like I have).If you know it's contents,you can find some stuff related to the present days.In fact the Vedas haven't taught us to discriminate women in fact the Vedas keep women at parity with a man.

I was mainly talking about the "Atharva Veda", the whole of which is full of stupid spells and stuff like that. There's a spell named "Maran Uchatan" there, and according to the Atharva Veda, if someone directs this spell at his enemy, the enemy will immediately vomit to death. Then there's another spell, which once applied, will shield our house from theft and robbery forever. Dear lord! There's also details about spells, potions, etc etc relating to sorcery, witchcraft and what not! Then there is the "Rig Veda" which sanctions the barbaric custom of Sati, ie, the burning of the wife immediately after the death of her husband. Not to mention that the Vedas altogether put the Brahmins in an unfairly high social-position. It is these aspects of the Vedas that I'm against.