Somali woman stoned for adultery

[Cricketman]

Now, let me start off by saying that I do not have extensive knowledge of Islam, the Q'uran, or Sharia Law.

But, from what I have observed, it is not tolerable. One thing I have always hated, with a deep seething passion, is discrimination against women. How are they any different than man? They are our mothers, those who gave birth to us, those who brought us up to be the men we are today. What gives the stupid, idiotic man a right to not give her and women everywhere an education, the knowledge to read, work, drive... I simply can't put my mind around that notion.

Racial/economic/class based discrimination is something I hate as well. Unfortunately, it's seen in pretty much every mainstream religion out there. But, we must accept that these 'laws' were made thousands of years ago and do not and should not apply to the modern world today.

Why do people nit pick at religion? Can't they just take in the theory that 'OK, there is a god, we'll pray to him, and we'll go to heaven', and leave it at that? Why do they search through texts with a magnifying glass, looking for more restrictions and blowing them out of proportion, taking matters into his own hands and taking action? If God has a problem with what you are doing he will stop it himself.

Why do they want to influence their religion and views on others? Keep it to yourself. I'll practice worship the way I want to (or choose not to practice at all) while you can do whatever you want. I guess this is also hitting on conversion. I just never understood it, why do you want to convert anyone onto your religion? If the 'real' god is christian, and I have lived my life as a Hindu but have been moral and just, why will I burn in hell?

And back on topic - Adultery is not that big of a deal. I mean, yeah it's not a good thing to happen and you should avoid it...but as they say, ████ happens. It's a personal issue. Society should just back the hell up and stop getting it's nose in other people's business, they have no say in the matter.

[hMarka]

Originally Posted by Cricketman

And back on topic - Adultery is not that big of a deal. I mean, yeah it's not a good thing to happen and you should avoid it...but as they say, ████ happens. It's a personal issue. Society should just back the hell up and stop getting it's nose in other people's business, they have no say in the matter.

Exactly, the root of the issue, she was put to death for something that is not even a crime in any 1st world country.

Adultery is a private matter, one between the people involved. Not for the entire community to pass judgment on, let alone laws and death sentences.

[King Cricket]

Originally Posted by send2yaari

This is against the rules of this forum,you have no right to say bad about any religion.

I never said anything bad about mainstream Islamic religion or culture. I'm just against certain aspects of Islam like the Shariyah law as well as these type of barbaric practices which includes stoning.

This is the problem! People cannot keep in pace with the demands time! Science has advanced profoundly nowadays, and standing in 2009, shouldn't we be scanning the different religious texts by putting them under the light of knowledge and science? Shouldn't we be refusing to accpet anything without proper investigation? Then why this blind faith in whatever is written in the Q'uran? It is abundantly clear that the Shariyah law is barbaric and promotes human rights abuse. It also encroaches on some fundamental rights of human beings. Then why are people of a few countries still abiding by these laws? Are they tolerating such barbarism just because it has the sanction of religion? Is that how things should be going?

I guess that's why the Western powers of today have developed this much. There was a time when the scenario was exactly the same in their lands too. The Pope, who was usually corrupted, had the supreme authority, and made the lives of the Europeans miserable! Then came the Reformation era, humanists like Martin Luther, Wycliffe, Erasmus, Calvin, John Huss etc made their appearances. That's what casued the change, and that was how superstitious practices which prevailed in those days were abolished.

People need to do the same in these countries as well. I respect people's religious sentiments and sentiments surrounding the religious texts (though I'm not a believer myself), and I don't wish to offend anybody. But my point is that no matter what, we should not be letting religion blind our eyes completely. People need to scan religion under science and discard it's certain aspects which are superstitious and promote barbaric acts. People need to think about these savage like religious practices like stoning from a rational point of view. People needs to defy these old, stereotyped ideas which are not at all helpful for the progress of human beings. Whatever the various so-called "prophets" said thousands of years back cannot always be everything, ffs!

PS, just to tell you, I'm dead against different aspects of the "Vedas" of the Hindus too. I think they are stupid and are full of superstitious crap.

King Cricket added 0 Minutes and 47 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by Cricketman;

But, from what I have observed, it is not tolerable. One thing I have always hated, with a deep seething passion, is discrimination against women. How are they any different than man? They are our mothers, those who gave birth to us, those who brought us up to be the men we are today. What gives the stupid, idiotic man a right to not give her and women everywhere an education, the knowledge to read, work, drive... I simply can't put my mind around that notion.

Ditto that, every single word.

King Cricket added 8 Minutes and 49 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by dutchad;

And what happens in the situation that the women is forced into a situation?

Exactly. What if the girl was forced into all this? What if it's the man who is the main culprit? She wasn't even given the minimum chance to defend herself. Punishment on spot, eh? Why? Because she was born a girl? I remember reading a similar type of incident in the papers some days back. Where the rapist was set free with very light punishment, but the girl, even though she was just 13, was stoned to death. Is this how things should be going? Isn't this practice barbaric? What does our rational mind and common sense say? Or are we too blinded by religion to see the truth?

[MaD]

Calm your farms...
On topic - I thought stoning was something they did 2000 years ago, it's pretty sad to know that it still happens these days, when will the world grow up...

[hMarka]

Originally Posted by Madhur

Calm your farms...
On topic - I thought stoning was something they did 2000 years ago, it's pretty sad to know that it still happens these days, when will the world grow up...

It happens a lot today, these are just what has been reported by Amnesty International this decade.

Iran:
A man Abbas and a woman Mahbouibeh, May 2006 in Mashad.
A man Ja'far Kiani, July 2007, in Aghche-kand.
A man Houshang Khodadadeh and another unidentified man, December 2008, in Mashad. A third man escaped from the pit and is in custody.
A man Vali Azad, March 2009, in Rasht.

Somalia:
In October, 2008, a girl, Aisho Ibrahim Dhuhulow was buried up to her neck at a football stadium, then stoned to death in front of more than 1,000 people. The stoning occurred after she had allegedly pleaded guilty to adultery in a shari`ah court in Kismayo, a city controlled by Islamist insurgents

Nigeria:
Stoning is available as a punishment under Sharia in Nigeria. The most famous case was that of Amina Lawal, who was sentenced to death for having sex out-of-wedlock, as she was not married and found herself pregnant.[15] She was later acquitted on appeal and released.

Afghanistan
As most areas of Afghanistan, aside from the capital, Kabul, are controlled locally by warlords or tribal leaders, the Afghan legal system depends highly on an individual community's local culture and the political and/or religious ideology of its leaders. Stoning also occurs in lawless areas, where vigilantes decide to commit the act for political purposes

Stoning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[MaD]

That is just sad and slack, really really bad, it's just so unbelievable, WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT! Don't they have a jail or something, it's just really horrible

[skrillex_x]

I just find religion should not be above or used as a foundation for a working justice system. Sure there are some aspects of which you could use religion (No stealing, do not murder, etc.) but as with the Sharia law, no offense, but its not only barbaric but far behind with the times, thus being outdated. Whipping, stoning or any sort of barbaric torture really shouldn't be accepted as a way of discipline or persecution.

From my views, I see countries like Sudan, Somalia, Indonesia, etc. which is predominantly of an Islamic background (As much as I don't want to offend I still need to make my point, which even I think isn't too offensive) are far too oppressive with the ways they go about their day to day life. Coming from a Christian background, born and raised, I personally do not have any issues with my Islamic friends. But they honestly find it quite uncivilised when they hear reports about this.

I've heard cases where a devout Islamic woman was just skimming through the Holy Bible and she had been beaten up as a result of that, I've also heard a Sheikh in our country teaching the allowance of males to 'beat up their wives' in order to keep them in line. Is it just me or wouldn't you deem this as oppressive and unethical?

As for the various views for the representation of the male and female in Sharia law in accordance to clothing. I see what they are trying to do, they don't want the women to be seen as a sexual object; as with the clothing its trying to prevent temptation I presume. But I see it as either too excessive to wear clothes from head to toe in order to accomplish this. As for the issue with the woman wearing pants, thats just honestly demeaning in my books. Why shouldn't they be allowed to wear it?

[Highlander999]

Ok, I have a scenario now. Yaari was going on about sexual contact is not allowed outside of a relationship. Now my gf, kissed a mate on the cheek who she hasn't seen in a long time. Does that now mean that I should stone her? Where is the line, drawn?

[send2yaari]

Originally Posted by Highlander999

Ok, I have a scenario now. Yaari was going on about sexual contact is not allowed outside of a relationship. Now my gf, kissed a mate on the cheek who she hasn't seen in a long time. Does that now mean that I should stone her? Where is the line, drawn?

kiss and sexual contact is bit different.
We have are own rules and we are not implementing on you to follow.

[King Cricket]

Originally Posted by send2yaari;

We have are own rules and we are not implementing on you to follow.

Yeah, barbaric rules which advocate stoning a person to death, or lashing a person just because of wearing a pant. Nice "rules", really! Tom is right. Where is the line drawn? You can't just do anything in the name of religion. What wrong did that Sudanese woman do? The one who was lashed ten times only for wearing a mere pant? Jesus!

[dutchad]

Originally Posted by send2yaari

kiss and sexual contact is bit different.
We have are own rules and we are not implementing on you to follow.

Where as I agree with you that each country, or in some cases a part of a country, can have it's own rules that people knowingly need to abide by, would you at least agree that many of these rules put women in your country and in other countries at a great disadvantage to their men?

Also if I felt that a law in my country was unfair or the punishment delivered unjust surely I should have a right to question and agitate against that?

I am against the death penalty in any circumstances. In my belief only God has the right to reign over life and death and death is the great equalizer and after death we will experience the consequences of our deeds. All of us.

[send2yaari]

Originally Posted by dutchad

Where as I agree with you that each country, or in some cases a part of a country, can have it's own rules that people knowingly need to abide by, would you at least agree that many of these rules put women in your country and in other countries at a great disadvantage to their men?

Also if I felt that a law in my country was unfair or the punishment delivered unjust surely I should have a right to question and agitate against that?

I am against the death penalty in any circumstances. In my belief only God has the right to reign over life and death and death is the great equalizer and after death we will experience the consequences of our deeds. All of us.

never you should come and see that woman are moving one step ahead of our men.
In any walk of life they are getting first priority.
Don't go on one or two incidence,these can happen any where.

send2yaari added 1 Minutes and 26 Seconds later...

Dear rules are rule,not every thing in the world show you a clear logic but your deep research will prove that all these rules are right.
Just think when such incident happen in front of you,do you try to do such crime.
These punishment are heavy,so to make society good,you know that if we implement all Islamic laws and behavior,then you can make society a better place to live in.
Just think if we leave a killer or a person who played with some body's respect what will happen?
These heavy punishment will make people to think that if you will do such things your end will be like that and so people will not do such crimes.

send2yaari added 2 Minutes and 41 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by King Cricket

Yeah, barbaric rules which advocate stoning a person to death, or lashing a person just because of wearing a pant. Nice "rules", really! Tom is right. Where is the line drawn? You can't just do anything in the name of religion. What wrong did that Sudanese woman do? The one who was lashed ten times only for wearing a mere pant? Jesus!

That was wrong.
I said it already,there are some places where people are doing foolish things just on the name of Islam.

[Highlander999]

Originally Posted by send2yaari

These punishment are heavy,so to make society good,you know that if we implement all Islamic laws and behavior,then you can make society a better place to live in.

I think Hmarka is gonna love reading that

[King Cricket]

Originally Posted by send2yaari;

Dear rules are rule,not every thing in the world show you a clear logic but your deep research will prove that all these rules are right.

Murdering a person in a cold blooded fashion is never right. And it can never ever be!

[Sureshot]

I'm not going to condone any punishment which leads to death, legalised murder is just wrong.

However, different countries have different laws and I don't have a problem with that. As a British citizen my only concern is about my own countries laws. I have no right to tell other countries what they should and shouldn't do, mind you, telling countries what they should and shouldn't do is a speciality of the western governments.

If I went to Saudi Arabia, I'd have no problem living with Sharia law. It's their country. Sometimes, it really is just best to butt out.