Somali woman stoned for adultery

[nightprowler10]

Originally Posted by King Cricket

Shariyah laws are stupid, rubbish, dumb, biased, idiotic, promote human rights abuse, promote racial discrimination, discrimination against women....and I can go on and on!

I don't like sharia law being used but I don't agree that it suffers from all those traits. Keep in mind that it was this same law that was used in the golden age of Islam when all of Muslims, Christians and Jews lived in relative peace in Jerusalem of all places. The weakness of the Islamic Law is also its greatest strength in my mind, that it is very open to interpretation. I say weakness as this has allowed many head of states and governments in history to use it however they wished. I don't think any nation in the current climate should ever use it as they're all incapable of properly enforcing it, hence I'm always against using it.

I won't comment on the thread topic as I don't know the details of the woman's crime, but isn't it nice that yet another topic gives Hmarka a chance to look down on something he doesn't quite understand?

[ZoraxDoom]

Originally Posted by Hmarka

And I assure you that you do not know anything about me and my knowledge of Islam is fairly extensive. I have read all 3 major Judeo Christian Texts and some of the lesser known religions as well.

Oh and I am most definitely better than him.

I don't think anyone with a knowledge of what is in the Quran would be so against Islam like you are.

And again, if you did have an extensive knowledge of Islam, you'd know that Allah does not consider any man to be above any other. (Oh, and Hinduism believe the same thing, and I believe Christianity too...)

[hMarka]

Originally Posted by nightprowler10

Hmarka a chance to look down on something he doesn't quite understand?

What do I not understand? A woman just had sex with someone and they stoned her to death. Stoned her to death!



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Originally Posted by ZoraxDoom

I don't think anyone with a knowledge of what is in the Quran would be so against Islam like you are.

I am against all organized religion mate, simply because I don't believe goat herders and shepherds from 3000 years ago knew more about the cosmos and biology than modern day scientists.

[nightprowler10]

Originally Posted by Hmarka

What do I not understand? A woman just had sex with someone and they stoned her to death. Stoned her to death!

Nah I'm against stoning as well. It was meant more in line with comments like these.

And yes there are bad things to say about all cultures, except that Sharia Islam takes the cake. Sharia Islam is a disease and it needs to be eradicated from this earth.

No other mainstream culture on earth puts people to death in such horrific manners or honor kill daughters, or preach to kill non-believers ....... and the list goes on.

Yeah sorry, but you don't really know what you're on about mate. Also, and this is meant in line with your general posting, give the jingoistic posting a rest too while you're at it. Us Americans don't need any help looking bad.

[ZoraxDoom]

That last line could only come from someone who doesn't know what is in the Quran.

I'll leave it up to someone who knows a bit more than me on this (NP10, Send2yaari), but basically I know this much - The Quran holds knowledge about Biology, Astrology, Math and Chemistry that were only discovered by 'Modern Day Scientists' several hundreds years later. The Quran also speaks about Yoga, how the proper praying positions are meant to aid digestion and allow you to focus and meditate. The whole thing with how one is supposed to break a fast after Ramadan described in the Quran is the method is now prescribed by all modern day doctors who say it is the best way to break any fast, and was derived several hundred years before modern science and biology.

[hMarka]

Originally Posted by nightprowler10

give the jingoistic posting a rest too while you're at it. Us Americans don't need any help looking bad.

I never once mentioned America or my being an American in this thread. How about you stop assuming that everything I am saying is rooted in my Americanism.

[nightprowler10]

Originally Posted by Hmarka

I never once mentioned America or my being an American in this thread. How about you stop assuming that everything I am saying is rooted in my Americanism.

I see you conveniently excluded the first part of the sentence in the quote.

[hMarka]

I see you conveniently did not address my complaint either.

Also your a Muslim yourself from what I gather, so I highly doubt my view is the only "biased" one. You obviously felt the need to come on here and defend Sharia law.

[nightprowler10]

Originally Posted by Hmarka

I see you conveniently did not address my complaint either.

Great part of your posts have always come across as being influenced by Americanism (though I'd rather use jingoism), in many threads, so I think its fair to assume it affects how you view other cultures/religions. I haven't seen anything to suggest otherwise, I'm sorry to say.

RE your edit: I never claimed not to be biased. I'm a Muslim, which is why I took the initiative to research my religion as much as I could, but I can guarantee you'll never see me look down upon a religion or a culture I did not have an understanding of.

[hMarka]

I understand the difference between Islam and Sharia Islam, I know the difference between the Koran and the Hadiths. I make my judgments based upon my own research and experiences. So please do not brand me under some umbrella Glen Beck jingoism term and I will not brand you under some broad stereotype either.

I have no problems with moderate Muslims, however they are most definitely in the minority in countries like Somalia, Afghanistan etc.

[nightprowler10]

Originally Posted by Hmarka

I understand the difference between Islam and Sharia Islam, I know the difference between the Koran and the Hadiths. I make my judgments based upon my own research and experiences. So please do not brand me under some umbrella Glen Beck jingoism term and I will not brand you under some broad stereotype either.

I would never do such a thing. There are certainly different levels of Americanism/jingoism, I'm merely trying to explain how your posts tend to suggest that you seem to let your patriotism affect your views. Your research and experiences wouldn't mean anything if you're not willing to look back at them objectively. Happy to be proven wrong about you of course.

In the same way, you said you've read several religious texts, but does that really mean anything unless you're willing to look deep within them with an open mind? Of course that's not to say you need to, if you're content judging them from afar, more power to you, but can you really say you know what you're talking about just because you've read them?

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Originally Posted by Hmarka

however they are most definitely in the minority in countries like Somalia, Afghanistan etc.

Possibly, but that's more sociological than anything in that its the herd mentality. These same Afghanis were happy living the western lifestyle in the 70s.

[pal]

Originally Posted by ZoraxDoom

That last line could only come from someone who doesn't know what is in the Quran.

I'll leave it up to someone who knows a bit more than me on this (NP10, Send2yaari), but basically I know this much - The Quran holds knowledge about Biology, Astrology, Math and Chemistry that were only discovered by 'Modern Day Scientists' several hundreds years later. The Quran also speaks about Yoga, how the proper praying positions are meant to aid digestion and allow you to focus and meditate. The whole thing with how one is supposed to break a fast after Ramadan described in the Quran is the method is now prescribed by all modern day doctors who say it is the best way to break any fast, and was derived several hundred years before modern science and biology.

lol, are you serious? Most Muslims regard yoga as a demonic practice. Muslim officials in Malaysia issued a fatwa against it not so long ago. Yoga is essentially a religious practice for Hindus (and members of other Dharmic faiths, like Buddhists and Jains) to develop physical and mental discipline, in order to assist them in meditation. It has been in existence, in some form or another, since at least a couple of thousand years BC. It has nothing to do with Islam.

I don't buy the claim that the Quran, or any other religious scripture, contains information about science that somehow eluded western or 'modern day' scientists. It's ridiculous. If that were the case, why was that information not applied? If the Quran was a repository for such information, why was it withheld from scientists until "several hundred years" later? Muslim empires ruled much of Asia, Africa, and even parts of Europe. If they were in possession of some divinely revealed scientific knowledge, why did it not become common knowledge?

People, Muslims and non-Muslims alike, have had access to the Quran for close to 1500 years. Do you really think that everyone who read it just missed those sections? Or if, for whatever reason, it was only accessible to Muslims, do you actually think that they somehow shielded it from the rest of the world until modern day scientists discovered it? It's such BS.

[nightprowler10]

Yeah not sure about the yoga bit, but there may be some truth to the science stuff. One thing I'm certain of is that the Quran encourages people to look for knowledge and has respect for the sciences. As for your point about people not discovering the signs until later, well the simple answer to that is that its not a book of science. It cites processes and events as examples of God's greatness etc but people obviously wouldn't pick up on those signs until they had the knowledge to understand them. Might sound like BS but there you go.

[pal]

As for your point about people not discovering the signs until later, well the simple answer to that is that its not a book of science. It cites processes and events as examples of God's greatness etc but people obviously wouldn't pick up on those signs until they had the knowledge to understand them. Might sound like BS but there you go.

We're in complete agreement on this point - it's not a book of science. None of the religious scriptures are. Adherents of nearly every religion out there claim that their scriptures hold some sort of scientific knowledge to gain credibility. Seriously, go and google it. It doesn't matter whether you're dealing with Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, or whatever.

They all claim that their scriptures contain scientific information that eluded all of mankind until, of course, scientists discovered it at which point they too, miraculously, find verses in their scriptures which seem to correspond with the discoveries. But, of course, once scientists discover something that completely contradicts their religious beliefs, they rebuke it or simply dismiss it.

I don't know if you have heard of Carl Sagan, the astronomer and physicist. He created a renowned science documentary for PBS called Cosmos. In one of the episodes, he talked about Hindu cosmology and how it was the one religion that came the closest to ascertaining an accurate age for the universe and how it seemed to fit the Big Bang theory. That made the day for a lot of Hindus. Some of the ones I talk to still refer to it with glee. But, it too is nonsensical. They obviously just lucked out on it.

Here's the episode:

[jordox]

Originally Posted by Highlander999

Human beings are meant to be civilised and developed

Really? Considering the amount of violence that goes on literally per second, I think I'd have to disagree with you there.

Spoken like a typical Englishman though. The same mob who in the past went around 'civilizing' other cultures by raping and destroying everything in their way - whilst 10 year old girls were being hanged for stealing dresses in London at the time.

No, Human beings aren't meant to be civilized, human beings are meant to think they are civilized. They are meant to make up morals, and if someone else doesn't follow them - then we can all sit around and get hard ons and stroke our egos while we all say "well, at least we are better than them". And if human beings are truly meant to be civilized, why does the majority of the world not live under your code of 'civilization'?

Human beings are naturally aggressive things that, in "nicer" cultures are trained from a young age to try and pretend they aren't. Our natural instincts of aggression are just as common as animals and are just as disgusting, it's just that humans have the ability to question and to disobey our natural instincts, when animals don't. That's the main difference.