Somali woman stoned for adultery - Page 3

dutchad · 19th November 2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ZoraxDoom

That line is true, very true. It's her misfortune to be born there, and it is a very tragic ending.

However, why break a rule you know will get you killed? UAE, for example, isn't a fair country. One unspoken rule here is that the locals are always right. You never argue with an Arab, you never blame them for a car crash, you let them have their way. Arguing or causing a commotion will only lead to you suffering.

It isn't fair in any sense of the word. They can run over you and you'll take the blame. But we all know that., and we move on.

Ofcourse, this woman didn't have the opportunities to leave the country or to pursue another life, and she was forced into this. And that is a great tragedy. But she must have known adultery would get her stoned to death. She must have realised the dangers of breaking the rules in that society.

Yet she went and did it anyways.

So one can guess that she did it because she had had enough, or because she was careless, had a moment of weakness. Whatever it was, she knew the punishment, and went and did it.

Is it nice, nope. Is it tragic, yes. But the punishment, in this case, was deserved, as she broke the rules of that society.

Again, whether these rules are any good, whether a society like this should be tolerated, whether something should be done, etc. is a different topic...

Welll there are many, many people alive today who thankfully have been saved from death by people standing up to this kind of barbaric treatment. And there are many many instances of brave human beings who have stood up in the face of tremendous odds to voice concerns and advicate change. I celebrate those people and am grateful to them that they didn't just think "oh well, this is just the soceity I live in!"

ZoraxDoom · 19th November 2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hmarka

The convenient their not "Muslims" excuse. Well buddy no one buys that garbage.

To be fair, the Quran and the more common Islam followed is actually very fair on both genders and very pro-human rights. It is completely against war or harming other humans, it is against adultery but also offers women an option of divorce with child support, and is very pro charity and helping the poor and needy. The Quran also asks Muslims to be respectful to other religions and to inform people of the benefits of Islam, but not to vigorously convert non-followers into followers.
Note, I haven't read the Quran, just have a lot of Muslim friends and have had a lot of talks about this.

Anyways, yea, you could claim Sharia Islam isn't actually Islam at all as it, apparently, goes against several things stated in the Quran.

hMarka · 19th November 2009, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by send2yaari

You are again taking this thread on the wrong direction.

No one cares what you have to say, you've made your ignorance and intolerance very clear. In my eyes you are just one rung below a terrorist. You sympathize with STONING! the fact that this does not bother you speaks volumes.

ZoraxDoom · 19th November 2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dutchad

Welll there are many, many people alive today who thankfully have been saved from death by people standing up to this kind of barbaric treatment. And there are many many instances of brave human beings who have stood up in the face of tremendous odds to voice concerns and advicate change. I celebrate those people and am grateful to them that they didn't just think "oh well, this is just the soceity I live in!"

*shrug*. I never said it's bad to stand up against it. If she went and did it because she's tired of the rules, then great. If this was an act of protest against a backward culture, then excellent. I was just addressing the point that people believing she didn't deserve it.

Anyways, this topic has left me tired and I have average upgrades to do for the PCPL...

Kshitiz_Indian · 19th November 2009, 05:44 PM

I feel disgusted really. And no matter whatever anyone tells me, I just can't believe that a religion would ever allow punishments like this. Bloody Hell, religions actually tell us to be forgiving!

This is not religion. This is... I don't have words for this. But to say that I'm saying bad about Islam when I criticize "Sharia" laws, is wrong, very wrong. If I find some law in USA to be such inhumane, I have full freedom to criticize it.

send2yaari · 19th November 2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ZoraxDoom

To be fair, the Quran and the more common Islam followed is actually very fair on both genders and very pro-human rights. It is completely against war or harming other humans, it is against adultery but also offers women an option of divorce with child support, and is very pro charity and helping the poor and needy. The Quran also asks Muslims to be respectful to other religions and to inform people of the benefits of Islam, but not to vigorously convert non-followers into followers.
Note, I haven't read the Quran, just have a lot of Muslim friends and have had a lot of talks about this.

Anyways, yea, you could claim Sharia Islam isn't actually Islam at all as it, apparently, goes against several things stated in the Quran.

Pretty right,actually the society is really biased now,they want to give punishment and torture to other,but when it comes on them they start pleading for justice.
Really I don't want to put this thread on fire bu quoting all the deeds and incidence which those so called civilized countries do.
I really appreciate your knowledge about our religion.

dutchad · 19th November 2009, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ZoraxDoom

*shrug*. I never said it's bad to stand up against it. If she went and did it because she's tired of the rules, then great. If this was an act of protest against a backward culture, then excellent. I was just addressing the point that people believing she didn't deserve it.

Anyways, this topic has left me tired and I have average upgrades to do for the PCPL...

Yep! I am sure she did it as an act of tiredness against the rules.......

Many people just leave a discussion when they have nothing better to say!

Good luck with your averages..........

Kshitiz_Indian · 19th November 2009, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ZoraxDoom

*shrug*. I never said it's bad to stand up against it. If she went and did it because she's tired of the rules, then great. If this was an act of protest against a backward culture, then excellent. I was just addressing the point that people believing she didn't deserve it.

Anyways, this topic has left me tired and I have average upgrades to do for the PCPL...

Maybe she deserved punishment in there society, but not THIS! She could've been raped for all we know!

If this is all so much about the laws, then why this inequality? Why is the man only given 100 lashes? Why not stone him as well?

send2yaari · 19th November 2009, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Kshitiz_Indian

Maybe she deserved punishment in there society, but not THIS! She could've been raped for all we know!

If this is all so much about the laws, then why this inequality? Why is the man only given 100 lashes? Why not stone him as well?

read the whole thread,you will get your answer.

ZoraxDoom · 19th November 2009, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hmarka

No one cares what you have to say, you've made your ignorance and intolerance very clear. In my eyes you are just one rung below a terrorist. You sympathize with STONING! the fact that this does not bother you speaks volumes.

The fact that adultery doesn't bother you would make you look very bad to several different cultures across the world (Mine included). The fact that you think you know enough about a culture you've never experienced to make bold statements against it could make you look very ignorant.

People are raised differently and have different perspectives on what is acceptable and not, what is tolerable or not. Everyone has their own view on the world. Your views and thoughts are not the moral guidelines that the entire world will follow, your views on what is right and wrong isn't God's word on the issue. The fact remains that even if you don't agree with someone or something, that does not give you the right to personally attack them. Because I assure you, no matter what you think, you aren't above him.

Kshitiz_Indian · 19th November 2009, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by send2yaari

read the whole thread,you will get your answer.

My friend, I can't find any acceptable answer in this entire thread, if you know of one, why not enlighten me with the knowledge?

hMarka · 19th November 2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kshitiz_Indian

My friend, I can't find any acceptable answer in this entire thread, if you know of one, why not enlighten me with the knowledge?

Don't bother, to them its always "God's will" . That is the explanation for everything, and that is why they still live in caves and stone people in 2009

ZoraxDoom · 19th November 2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kshitiz_Indian

Maybe she deserved punishment in there society, but not THIS! She could've been raped for all we know!

If this is all so much about the laws, then why this inequality? Why is the man only given 100 lashes? Why not stone him as well?

*shrug* Hey, I didn't set the punishments, nor did I say they were fair.

hMarka · 19th November 2009, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ZoraxDoom

I assure you, no matter what you think, you aren't above him.

And I assure you that you do not know anything about me and my knowledge of Islam is fairly extensive. I have read all 3 major Judeo Christian Texts and some of the lesser known religions as well.

Oh and I am most definitely better than him.

send2yaari · 19th November 2009, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by send2yaari

I really don't know the exact matter but if the partner was an unmarried man then his punishment is 100 lashes but if he was also married with some one he will also be stoned to death.
This logic is pretty clear,when you are married you have to be loyle to your partner instead of making sexual contacts with other man or woman

That is the answer