Vettori or Kallis?

[Gary123]

I would go with Vettori.
Though really tough to pick from the two.

[Dare]

using Vettoris stats when he is at his best and Kallis when he is at his worst.

Kallis any day.

[Mercules]

Kallis is a gun, one of the best of all time. Flintoff wasn't near his level and neither's Vettori.

[King Cricket]

Kallis easily. There can't be a comparsion. He's one of the best all-rounders of modern times, who was equally lethal with both the bat and the ball. True, he hasn't been the same in the past couple of years, but off-form is a part and parcel of this game. And even after this slump in form, both his Test batting average and bowling average is better than that of Vettori. Goes on to show what type of a player Kallis is!

[hMarka]

I'd say Kallis, a much better and more flexible batsman. He can open the batting or come in the middle order as well. Kallis is also probably in the top 10 batsman of the last decade.

Really tough to compare a batting allrounder seamer with a bowling all rounder spinner. As Tom said, take them both and drop a bowler.

[Ari]

At this very moment I would go with Vettori but for a whole career Kallis.

[StinkyBoHoon]

it's kallis unless Vettori can start doing it from 6 for me.

[CG123]

Vettori for me. New Zealand's captain, selector, best batsman and best bowler.
I was looking at his stats a while ago, and over the past 5 years he has been averaging over 40 with the bat and around 30 with the ball.
And everyone who says Vettori needs to move up the order, his stats clearly tell a different story. Batting at 8 in 57 innings, he has averaged over 43, at a S/R of over 66!!!

[hMarka]

And Jaques Kallis wins.

[nz0003]

Originally Posted by Gary123

I would go with Vettori.
Though really tough to pick from the two.

Originally Posted by Dare

using Vettoris stats when he is at his best and Kallis when he is at his worst.

Kallis any day.

I've just done the last 2 years to show their form, and how Vettori has improved. If you were picking it tomorrow, some people may take form into account, if not everyone knows their averages.

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Only 1 vote in it, and that was my accidental vote on Kallis

[CG123]

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[irottev]

Originally Posted by Dare

using Vettoris stats when he is at his best and Kallis when he is at his worst.

That's because it's a question of who is the best right now, not career-wise. Career wise it's no contest Kallis so what would be the point?

In the last 2 years Vettori has been better. Stats back it up. Anyone who disagrees is wrong. Kallis's form has slipped a tad and Vettori has been unbelievably consistent and been a 1 man team. The fact that he gets very little support from his other batters or pressure from other bowlers makes it that much tougher on him.

[aussie1st]

Kallis is still that class batsmen that we know him to be and his bowling average during that period is almost equal to Vettori. Of course if you are going with stats then you would pick Vettori. But if you were just picking either of them on batting, I don't think you would find too many picking Vettori over Kallis. Bowling is still even although I would give it slightly to Vettori.

[Howsie]

Easy, Kallis. As good as Vettori is, Kallis has been a world class player for years. He's a middle order batsmen who has 20 odd 100's and averages in the mid 50's, factor in his bowling he's one of the best players of his time.

As for Vettori batting higher in the order, it's just not possible with this New Zealand team, the top three is just far too weak. If we had McCullum six and Vettori seven we'd pretty much go from having a great tail to having one that will barely score 50 runs between them. Vettori's fine where he is, since Janurary 2005 he's averaged mid 40's with the bat and really gives this New Zealand team an edge with our usually strong 6-7-8, and sometimes nine.

[aussie1st]

Originally Posted by Howsie

As for Vettori batting higher in the order, it's just not possible with this New Zealand team, the top three is just far too weak. If we had McCullum six and Vettori seven we'd pretty much go from having a great tail to having one that will barely score 50 runs between them.

Depends how you go about it. If you are adding a bowler for a batter then obviously it weakens the batting. But if you use the current NZ lineup, if McCullum is staying at 6 then Vettori can move to 5, Fulton 7 and Elliott 8 which on paper doesn't weaken the batting.