New Rankings System

andrew_nixon · 18th May 2003, 02:20 PM

I have designed a new rankings system for international sides, have a look at it.

http://uk.geocities.com/andrew_nixon79/

Tell me what you think.

p.s. Duncan, can you pin this topic?

19th May 2003, 08:46 AM

gr8 work andrew.....y don't u ask 2 join the ecb? :P

andrew_nixon · 21st May 2003, 08:52 AM

Does nobody have any comments on this?

21st May 2003, 10:59 AM

well yeah i've got a comment bout it, i reckon it is good and cool but i reckon it's a bit to simple, it needs to be more complex. i dunno y though ??

andrew_nixon · 21st May 2003, 11:04 AM

I think it's simplicity is the strong oint. The ICCs ODI rankings table is extremely complicated. I think its good because it takes into account all international matches.

21st May 2003, 11:07 AM

yeah but i mean lots of sporting methods of scoring for the world, i reckon they seem to like it nice and complex so it's hard 4 people to work the rankings themselves.!! but yeah your method is nice and easy, espeically easy to understand dun need to read like 2 pages and get confused.

22nd May 2003, 01:28 PM

I like it. Short and sweet. However one thing I dont find quite right is wins against quality opposition isnt rewarded and similarly a team playing and winning many matches against minnows would get a high rating.

Maybe you could use a simple multiplier depending on the opposition rating

Like Aus 2
SA 1.5
Ind 1.4

Zim 1.2

and maybe Bangladesh with a basic 1

so that you get 20 points for a win against Aus and only 10 for a win against Ban ?

Anyway the current system used in cricket is too convoluted

andrew_nixon · 22nd May 2003, 04:38 PM

Good idea Vineet, but I want to keep it simple for now. In the individual years you get some strange results, ie. UAE and Namibia are top in 2 years, but I think the 10 year table levels everything out to decent rankings, as a team needs more games to qualify for this table. The teams do need to play a certain amount of games to qualify for the year tables too, otherwise there would be some extremely minor nations topping the lists.

andrew_nixon · 23rd May 2003, 02:20 PM

I've updated the site with the results from the triangular tournament in Sri Lanka as well as Scotland's latest results in the National League. It's not changed the standings though.

Go here to have a look if you haven't already.

24th May 2003, 08:41 PM

well done andrew, but U.A.E on top of the standings in 1994 ?

andrew_nixon · 24th May 2003, 08:48 PM

It was due to the ICC Trophy that year, they won every game in that, only lost 2 ODIs.

I think the 10 year table evens things out.

andrew_nixon · 1st June 2003, 10:56 PM

The site has been updated once again with the results of the Australia v West Indies series, as well as Scotland's latest results in the National League.

The standings haven't changed in the 10 year table, but in the table for this year, the West Indies have dropped a place and Sri Lanka have gone up.

Go here to have a look.

2nd June 2003, 07:05 PM

That's CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW the **** can NAMBIA and U.A.E. BE top for TWO years.

THIS is a joke. U need to find a way to see where beating harder teams gets more points!!!!!!!!!!! :angry:

andrew_nixon · 2nd June 2003, 07:20 PM

The reason why Namibia and the UAE are top in two years is due to their performances in the ICC Trophy in the relevant years. It is designed to give equal weighting to all international matches. I think giving extra points for beating certain teams complicates the issue too much. The whole point of it is simplicity.

I only put the individual year tables up for interests sake anyway, to let people get an idea of the process. I think the 10 year table is pretty accurate and thats the table I pay attention too.

I'm a little disapointed you couldn't think of a decent argument that didn't involve swearing. Try to be more grown up next time.

3rd June 2003, 10:52 AM

Hey Andrew, can I borrow your rankings system to make a program?
I've got my own rain-rule (alternate for D/L) running. Do you want to see it?

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18th May 2003, 02:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
andrew_nixon ICC Board Member AKA: Andrew (never Andy) Member Since: Oct 2004 Location: Huddersfield, Englan National Team: England Domestic Team: Lancashire	I have designed a new rankings system for international sides, have a look at it. http://uk.geocities.com/andrew_nixon79/ Tell me what you think. p.s. Duncan, can you pin this topic? __________________ Visit Beyond The Boundary for non-test news and comments. Check out the CricketEurope Bermuda and Worldwide sections which I edit. They're associates, not minnows!!

21st May 2003, 08:52 AM	#3 (permalink)
andrew_nixon ICC Board Member AKA: Andrew (never Andy) Member Since: Oct 2004 Location: Huddersfield, Englan National Team: England Domestic Team: Lancashire	Does nobody have any comments on this? __________________ Visit Beyond The Boundary for non-test news and comments. Check out the CricketEurope Bermuda and Worldwide sections which I edit. They're associates, not minnows!!

21st May 2003, 11:04 AM	#5 (permalink)
andrew_nixon ICC Board Member AKA: Andrew (never Andy) Member Since: Oct 2004 Location: Huddersfield, Englan National Team: England Domestic Team: Lancashire	I think it's simplicity is the strong oint. The ICCs ODI rankings table is extremely complicated. I think its good because it takes into account all international matches. __________________ Visit Beyond The Boundary for non-test news and comments. Check out the CricketEurope Bermuda and Worldwide sections which I edit. They're associates, not minnows!!

22nd May 2003, 04:38 PM	#8 (permalink)
andrew_nixon ICC Board Member AKA: Andrew (never Andy) Member Since: Oct 2004 Location: Huddersfield, Englan National Team: England Domestic Team: Lancashire	Good idea Vineet, but I want to keep it simple for now. In the individual years you get some strange results, ie. UAE and Namibia are top in 2 years, but I think the 10 year table levels everything out to decent rankings, as a team needs more games to qualify for this table. The teams do need to play a certain amount of games to qualify for the year tables too, otherwise there would be some extremely minor nations topping the lists. __________________ Visit Beyond The Boundary for non-test news and comments. Check out the CricketEurope Bermuda and Worldwide sections which I edit. They're associates, not minnows!!

19th May 2003, 08:46 AM	#2 (permalink)
Duncan Guest	gr8 work andrew.....y don't u ask 2 join the ecb? :P

21st May 2003, 10:59 AM	#4 (permalink)
imported_graham Guest	well yeah i've got a comment bout it, i reckon it is good and cool but i reckon it's a bit to simple, it needs to be more complex. i dunno y though ??

21st May 2003, 11:07 AM	#6 (permalink)
imported_graham Guest	yeah but i mean lots of sporting methods of scoring for the world, i reckon they seem to like it nice and complex so it's hard 4 people to work the rankings themselves.!! but yeah your method is nice and easy, espeically easy to understand dun need to read like 2 pages and get confused.

22nd May 2003, 01:28 PM	#7 (permalink)
Admin Guest	I like it. Short and sweet. However one thing I dont find quite right is wins against quality opposition isnt rewarded and similarly a team playing and winning many matches against minnows would get a high rating. Maybe you could use a simple multiplier depending on the opposition rating Like Aus 2 SA 1.5 Ind 1.4 Zim 1.2 and maybe Bangladesh with a basic 1 so that you get 20 points for a win against Aus and only 10 for a win against Ban ? Anyway the current system used in cricket is too convoluted

23rd May 2003, 02:20 PM	#9 (permalink)
andrew_nixon ICC Board Member AKA: Andrew (never Andy) Member Since: Oct 2004 Location: Huddersfield, Englan National Team: England Domestic Team: Lancashire	I've updated the site with the results from the triangular tournament in Sri Lanka as well as Scotland's latest results in the National League. It's not changed the standings though. Go here to have a look if you haven't already. __________________ Visit Beyond The Boundary for non-test news and comments. Check out the CricketEurope Bermuda and Worldwide sections which I edit. They're associates, not minnows!!

24th May 2003, 08:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
rasi Guest	well done andrew, but U.A.E on top of the standings in 1994 ?

24th May 2003, 08:48 PM	#11 (permalink)
andrew_nixon ICC Board Member AKA: Andrew (never Andy) Member Since: Oct 2004 Location: Huddersfield, Englan National Team: England Domestic Team: Lancashire	It was due to the ICC Trophy that year, they won every game in that, only lost 2 ODIs. I think the 10 year table evens things out. __________________ Visit Beyond The Boundary for non-test news and comments. Check out the CricketEurope Bermuda and Worldwide sections which I edit. They're associates, not minnows!!

1st June 2003, 10:56 PM	#12 (permalink)
andrew_nixon ICC Board Member AKA: Andrew (never Andy) Member Since: Oct 2004 Location: Huddersfield, Englan National Team: England Domestic Team: Lancashire	The site has been updated once again with the results of the Australia v West Indies series, as well as Scotland's latest results in the National League. The standings haven't changed in the 10 year table, but in the table for this year, the West Indies have dropped a place and Sri Lanka have gone up. Go here to have a look. __________________ Visit Beyond The Boundary for non-test news and comments. Check out the CricketEurope Bermuda and Worldwide sections which I edit. They're associates, not minnows!!

2nd June 2003, 07:05 PM	#13 (permalink)
mattjf19 Guest	That's CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW the **** can NAMBIA and U.A.E. BE top for TWO years. THIS is a joke. U need to find a way to see where beating harder teams gets more points!!!!!!!!!!! :angry:

2nd June 2003, 07:20 PM	#14 (permalink)
andrew_nixon ICC Board Member AKA: Andrew (never Andy) Member Since: Oct 2004 Location: Huddersfield, Englan National Team: England Domestic Team: Lancashire	The reason why Namibia and the UAE are top in two years is due to their performances in the ICC Trophy in the relevant years. It is designed to give equal weighting to all international matches. I think giving extra points for beating certain teams complicates the issue too much. The whole point of it is simplicity. I only put the individual year tables up for interests sake anyway, to let people get an idea of the process. I think the 10 year table is pretty accurate and thats the table I pay attention too. I'm a little disapointed you couldn't think of a decent argument that didn't involve swearing. Try to be more grown up next time. __________________ Visit Beyond The Boundary for non-test news and comments. Check out the CricketEurope Bermuda and Worldwide sections which I edit. They're associates, not minnows!!

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3rd June 2003, 10:52 AM	#15 (permalink)
rasi Guest	Hey Andrew, can I borrow your rankings system to make a program? I've got my own rain-rule (alternate for D/L) running. Do you want to see it?