Do other countries actually see england as a threat?

duded64 · 10th June 2006, 03:16 PM

ive always thought myself that maybe england are over rated here in england most people consider england as maybe the 3rd best team in the world so i was looking to see what people from other countries actually think of englands chences

ZexyZahid · 10th June 2006, 04:13 PM

I think this thread is created based on the match of Paraguay vs England.

My opinion is that I've never seen England as a World Cup contender in the years I've been watching football (16 years), regardless what other think.

They struggled a lot in their qualifying matches for this World Cup and the first match wasn't a great match either for them.

Drewska · 10th June 2006, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ZexyZahid

My opinion is that I've never seen England as a World Cup contender in the years I've been watching football (16 years), regardless what other think.

Sorry about this but what about Italia 90?

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Being english i of course think England have a chance, as we are stronger than a lot of teams including Germany who have a very poor team this year.

ZexyZahid · 10th June 2006, 04:20 PM

Yeah, I know. That was the first time I was watching football. And I wanted Cameroun to get through.

But after that I didn't see much performance from them.

But the midfield on paper looks great, but Joe Cole, who is the least impressive on paper, was the better man.

And I would like to see Germany facing England in the next round.

hondeyho · 10th June 2006, 04:21 PM

Well after the Paraguay game I didn't see anything 'World Class' about England - but we have a much greater chance this time round for example:

Players like Butt and Sinclair have been replaced by Cole and Lampard, not to mention Gerrard is playing.

Rooney has replaced the likes of Emile Heskey

Terry has replaced someone as awful as Danny Mills

But why won't he get rid of Hargreaves?

Drewska · 10th June 2006, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by hondeyho

But why won't he get rid of Hargreaves?

Sven probably thinks just because he plays for Bayern Munich he's good.

duded64 · 10th June 2006, 04:42 PM

no its because hes the tour guide cause he knows his way around germany

:P

Sureshot · 11th June 2006, 05:12 PM

England have a great set of players, unfortunately we have Sven in charge who is incredibly inept at this level imo.

aussie1st · 12th June 2006, 12:41 AM

The will be there around the end but if they have what it takes to stop Brazil in full flight is another question.

sachin · 12th June 2006, 06:36 AM

Well i think England are a 'great' side(not literally just in terms of entertainment;'100 Miles an Hour' is good.),but they just don't feel like a very strong chance of lifting the cup.And i also think that while Lampard and Gerrard looks great on paper,it doesn't work that well in reality(bit like communism).If England are ever to challenge Brazil they'll need that duo to work mechanically.Plus i think Beckham is a little overrated...

Kev · 12th June 2006, 09:16 AM

They are over hyped, but also on of the top teams in terms of talent. I think they can challenge the likes of Brazil. Sure they will need to raise their game to do so, but that's what half decent teams generally do when playing top class oposition. Remember they beat Argentina last time around and only lost to Brazil because Seaman was seeing stars after banging his head just before Brazil's first goal. They will need so luck but then whats wrong with that?

Englands chances this time around hang on 2 strikers who arent fully match fit, Rooney and Owen.

Final note, why does everyone want to get rid of Hargreaves, we've actually not seen much of him. Sven tends to bring him on too late to make a real impact anyway. Give the lad a chance.

Sureshot · 12th June 2006, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sachin

Well i think England are a 'great' side(not literally just in terms of entertainment;'100 Miles an Hour' is good.),but they just don't feel like a very strong chance of lifting the cup.And i also think that while Lampard and Gerrard looks great on paper,it doesn't work that well in reality(bit like communism).If England are ever to challenge Brazil they'll need that duo to work mechanically.Plus i think Beckham is a little overrated...

Beckham has had 2 great seasons with Real Madrid since hsi first season, personally anyway.

He is the best passer of the ball in world football imo, not to mention being the most consistent player at a set piece for the last 10 years.

On the Hargreaves issue Kev, the problem I have is I think Carrick is a better holding player, and in 32 caps England Hargreaves has never made me srand up and think 'WOW'. Even though many of them have been 10 minute appearances.

sid_19840 · 12th June 2006, 10:40 AM

I think that England have it in them to beat any team in the world on their day.They have a solid defense,a world class midfield and a pretty good forward lineup which becomes even better with Rooney coming back.Although my only concern is the coach and if he is postive enough and beleives about his teams chances.If the other countries dont see England as a thread imo they will be in for a surprise.

sachin · 14th June 2006, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sureshot

Beckham has had 2 great seasons with Real Madrid since hsi first season, personally anyway.

He is the best passer of the ball in world football imo, not to mention being the most consistent player at a set piece for the last 10 years.

On the Hargreaves issue Kev, the problem I have is I think Carrick is a better holding player, and in 32 caps England Hargreaves has never made me srand up and think 'WOW'. Even though many of them have been 10 minute appearances.

Obviously that is your personal opinion,but even so Beckham is overrated.Consider how much attention he gets for doing...nothing(well nothing on a football pitch).

Sureshot · 14th June 2006, 09:40 AM

Rubbish, he is the most consistent footballer at set pieces in world football atm.

To say he does nothing is stupid.

5 of our last 7 goals have been from his set pieces.

Without him Real Madrid would be so much worse of aswell.

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10th June 2006, 03:16 PM	#1 (permalink)
duded64 National Board President Member Since: Oct 2005	Do other countries actually see england as a threat? ive always thought myself that maybe england are over rated here in england most people consider england as maybe the 3rd best team in the world so i was looking to see what people from other countries actually think of englands chences __________________ Don't Tell Anyone It Has Begun.

10th June 2006, 04:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
ZexyZahid Staff Member Member Since: May 2005 National Team: Pakistan	I think this thread is created based on the match of Paraguay vs England. My opinion is that I've never seen England as a World Cup contender in the years I've been watching football (16 years), regardless what other think. They struggled a lot in their qualifying matches for this World Cup and the first match wasn't a great match either for them. __________________

10th June 2006, 04:20 PM	#4 (permalink)
ZexyZahid Staff Member Member Since: May 2005 National Team: Pakistan	Yeah, I know. That was the first time I was watching football. And I wanted Cameroun to get through. But after that I didn't see much performance from them. But the midfield on paper looks great, but Joe Cole, who is the least impressive on paper, was the better man. And I would like to see Germany facing England in the next round. __________________

10th June 2006, 04:21 PM	#5 (permalink)
hondeyho International Coach Member Since: Sep 2005 National Team: England Domestic Team: Durham	Well after the Paraguay game I didn't see anything 'World Class' about England - but we have a much greater chance this time round for example: Players like Butt and Sinclair have been replaced by Cole and Lampard, not to mention Gerrard is playing. Rooney has replaced the likes of Emile Heskey Terry has replaced someone as awful as Danny Mills But why won't he get rid of Hargreaves? __________________ http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5...poofsignk5.png

10th June 2006, 04:42 PM	#7 (permalink)
duded64 National Board President Member Since: Oct 2005	no its because hes the tour guide cause he knows his way around germany :P __________________ Don't Tell Anyone It Has Begun.

11th June 2006, 05:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
Sureshot Staff Member Member Since: Feb 2005 Location: West Sussex National Team: England Domestic Team: Sussex CCC, Nottingham Forest.	England have a great set of players, unfortunately we have Sven in charge who is incredibly inept at this level imo. __________________ Ellipsis' are not commas!

12th June 2006, 12:41 AM	#9 (permalink)
aussie1st Administrator AKA: King Sylvester Member Since: Dec 2003 Location: Auckland National Team: Australia Domestic Team: NSW Blues	The will be there around the end but if they have what it takes to stop Brazil in full flight is another question. __________________

12th June 2006, 06:36 AM	#10 (permalink)
sachin National Board President Member Since: Jan 2004 Location: Melbourne,Victoria,Australia National Team: India Domestic Team: Victorian Bushrangers, Arsenal(EPL), St.Kilda(AFL)	Well i think England are a 'great' side(not literally just in terms of entertainment;'100 Miles an Hour' is good.),but they just don't feel like a very strong chance of lifting the cup.And i also think that while Lampard and Gerrard looks great on paper,it doesn't work that well in reality(bit like communism).If England are ever to challenge Brazil they'll need that duo to work mechanically.Plus i think Beckham is a little overrated... __________________ http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...asyEPLcopy.jpg

12th June 2006, 09:16 AM	#11 (permalink)
Kev ICC Chairman PC Awards 2008: Best Senior Member and Best Post Member Since: Jun 2004 Domestic Team: Kent CCC	They are over hyped, but also on of the top teams in terms of talent. I think they can challenge the likes of Brazil. Sure they will need to raise their game to do so, but that's what half decent teams generally do when playing top class oposition. Remember they beat Argentina last time around and only lost to Brazil because Seaman was seeing stars after banging his head just before Brazil's first goal. They will need so luck but then whats wrong with that? Englands chances this time around hang on 2 strikers who arent fully match fit, Rooney and Owen. Final note, why does everyone want to get rid of Hargreaves, we've actually not seen much of him. Sven tends to bring him on too late to make a real impact anyway. Give the lad a chance. __________________ Join me in bidding for the PCPL naming rights in the name of comedy here or join me in not caring about Droylesden here

12th June 2006, 10:40 AM	#13 (permalink)
sid_19840 ICC Board Member AKA: Sid Member Since: Jun 2005 Location: Kolkata,India National Team: India,England Domestic Team: Somerset,and Liverpool(In Football)	I think that England have it in them to beat any team in the world on their day.They have a solid defense,a world class midfield and a pretty good forward lineup which becomes even better with Rooney coming back.Although my only concern is the coach and if he is postive enough and beleives about his teams chances.If the other countries dont see England as a thread imo they will be in for a surprise. __________________

14th June 2006, 09:40 AM	#15 (permalink)
Sureshot Staff Member Member Since: Feb 2005 Location: West Sussex National Team: England Domestic Team: Sussex CCC, Nottingham Forest.	Rubbish, he is the most consistent footballer at set pieces in world football atm. To say he does nothing is stupid. 5 of our last 7 goals have been from his set pieces. Without him Real Madrid would be so much worse of aswell. __________________ Ellipsis' are not commas!

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